20 Nov 2008

Two tier laws

I've commented time and time again on how there are two levels of law in Trinidad. One for the 'common' man and the other for those who consider themselves big fish in that little pond. Take Machel and court dates being organised around his touring schedule for example.

The latest is that the son of a high court judge is 'bargaining' to have charges (possession of marijuana) dropped. Funnily enough, the observer in me also realises that this only happens to people of a particular race. Well two races, one being the so-called 'elite' white skinned (think Brad Boyce) and the other being... well, I don't think I need to spell it out.

Now, I am not one to begrudge a man for seeking the interests of his son, the Divine knows no parent would want their child loping through life being a convicted druggie. But sadly that seems to be the norm in Trinidad, where people in positions of authority have a penchant to twist and manipulate the systems for selfish purposes. I can't imagine Ventour doing that for Samlal from Barrackpore.

You'd also think that the judge would have raised his son to a higher standard, given the fact that this is a man who puts people in prison for similar offences. The judge himself is guilty of lowering the bar (as it were) when it comes to keeping standards.

I wait on the outcome of this. I bet this man goes free.

5 comments:

Captain Walker said...

"You'd also think that the judge would have raised his son to a higher standard, given the fact that this is a man who puts people in prison for similar offences."

Maybe he did raise his son to a higher standard, based on his judicial status. That his son messed up big time, may have nothing to do with his judicial status, at all.

Like hello...is there such a thing as individual resposnsibility? So eef my son becomes a vagrant or a drug-pusher, I'm automatically to be held as a major contributory factor fuh dat? Come nah man.

"The judge himself is guilty of lowering the bar (as it were) when it comes to keeping standards."

Boy, dat one pass meh by like a speedin' bullet! Ah eh see dat one at all - at all, at all! He lower dee bar because he son mess up? Look nah man. Whuh yuh tryin' tuh do, make fun of dee matter?

Jumbie said...

You're right on personal responsibilty but I can't help have a gut instinct it is the other way around - like many Trinis, lil Ventour probably thought, "My daddy is a Judge, is no big ting."

Sad but true in so many cases.

The judge is guilty of lowering the standards simply because there should be no discussion of the case with the DPP. Trial - guilty or not guilty. 'Stand de bounce' as it were.

The mere fact that there is discussion is an attempt to circumvent the law. Guilty of lowering the bar.

Captain Walker said...

Watch dis sentence carefully:
"The judge is guilty of lowering the standards simply because there should be no discussion of the case with the DPP. Trial - guilty or not guilty. 'Stand de bounce' as it were."

Read dee Express article again.

So leh we see. According to you dee judge is guilty of lowering standards because his son's lawyers are speaking to the DPP?

So lawyers can't 'speak' to the DPP now - about anything? Are you suggesting that that 'speaking to the DPP' is something underhand which is outside of the legal process - and if so is based purely on Jason Ventour's status as son of Judge Ventour - or perhaps the influence of Judge Ventour himself? If so, leh we have dee foundation of evidence quick - because you are de facto implying that there is judicial misconduct through some improper influence.

Jumbie said...

The entire point of my post is that there is a two-tier law sysyem. One for the likes of the judge and the other for the likes of the 'regular' man who get ketch.

Regardless of whether the lawyers can or cannot speak to the DPP to cut a deal, there is the perception, at least to me (and I consider myself a reasonable man)that there is something underhanded going on.

Are you suggesting that that 'speaking to the DPP' is something underhand which is outside of the legal process - and if so is based purely on Jason Ventour's status as son of Judge Ventour - or perhaps the influence of Judge Ventour himself?

The perception is there. I need not provide evidence. Justice must be seen to be done as well as be done, right? As the law lords often quote and it has become part of the legal process, reasonableness is a standard of law. They have not met my standard of reasonableness that there is not something underhanded gong on. Suspicion is suspect in itself.

Despite all your further law-based arguments, I will be proven right again. Follow up on this and you will see.

Captain Walker said...

I ask, "Are you suggesting that that 'speaking to the DPP' is something underhand which is outside of the legal process ..."

You answer, "The perception is there..."

I eh arks yuh if there is a 'perception' or anything of the kind. You're answering off the point. There is always a 'perception' and dee average 'monkey' on a Rock somewhere might be entitled to his/her uneducated perception. But daize not the issue at all! The issue is your reasoning and how you come to your expressed observations/opinions.

I eh make no "law-based" arguments at all, so I eh know what you talking 'bout. There is a basic principle operating that has nothing to do with law. You make an assertion, back it up. The more powerful the assertion the more foundation of reasoning and evidence that is required. What dat have tuh do wid law? Nothing.

Eef you read my post you will see that I asked more than I asserted. And it is correct to ask of you what is the foundation for your assertions, because you make them.

You made a powerful assertion about the conduct of a judge, without offering up any foundation or solid reasoning - in fact the reasoning is very hollow - and now you runnin' for cover with all kinda waffle.

Now you going on how there is a 'two-tier' law system and linking that up to Ventour's status as a judge. If this is about Ventour's influence or some underhandedness, educate we. Share your better knowledge. No need to duck and run - again.

There is a 'perception' that you going on now like any ol' Trini wid words to dee effec' - 'Wait an' yuh go see ah will be proven right..watch dis space...'. Well I coulda expect dat kinda talk from dee likes of Ladybird and Prof Patriot - not from you.

And even if 'time' proves you right - it doh mean dat your knowledge at the time of expressing your opinions here was right. Get the 'knowledge' right and den be proved right by 'time'. Den you are 'King'.